Why are the police not cooperating with local demands?

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Governor comments:

“The worsening situation in Ferguson is deeply troubling, and does not represent who we are as Missourians or as Americans,” Mr. Nixon said in a statement. “While we all respect the solemn responsibility of our law enforcement officers to protect the public, we must also safeguard the rights of Missourians to peaceably assemble and the rights of the press to report on matters of public concern.”

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9 thoughts on “Why are the police not cooperating with local demands?”

  1. The local police, who had been criticized for not identifying the officer who shot Mr. Brown, said Friday morning that they would release the name of the officer involved.

    This is one of the things that has bugged me considerably. The people have a right to know who the officer was; withholding that information limits the investigation into his past behavior — good or bad.

    “There’s also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights.”

    Let me know if this is off-topic but I wanted to address this in relation to the 2nd Amendment posts you’ve put up and we’ve debated.

    This time the police backed down. What happens when they don’t. We saw this action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina when the police illegally confiscated firearms. We’ve seen other times where the police response was excessive.

    We’ve seen in other countries (Soviet Russia, China, etc) where police forces are tools of oppression and terror.
    Does this impact your views on the 2nd Amendment?

    Bob S.

    1. on your last line…. Those countries, firstly don’t have our 2nd Amendment, which was peculiar to our founding, and our founders and the feelings against the British….thus, in my view, doesn’t particularly apply here. As to citizens having ‘rights to bear arms’…you have to take each or any country one at a time and look at the situation… The recent Eqyptian ‘arab spring’ in the last few years (discounting their current government), seems to have happened without any massive militarization of the public….and if you look at Syria and other surrounding situations.. sometimes these become all out Civil wars with arms on both sides, and sometimes they have a breakthrough (Tunisia?)… I think my opinion of the Ferguson and any other Police, is that they have a ‘legal’ backing to use force , variously misused, abused or other, and sometimes used in protecting citizens… your examples of N.O. , the police not only confiscated guns/arms but they also used them, perhaps illegally against citizens… that is for Louisiana to deal with,b ut does not, if you are implying it? give the ‘people’ cause to overthrow a government, and/or used arms against all government… It would, in my opinion, have been much worse if all sides are armed (there are many studies publishied recently which back up this statement)….off the top of my head to yours…. 🙂

      1. hose countries, firstly don’t have our 2nd Amendment, which was peculiar to our founding, and our founders and the feelings against the British….thus, in my view, doesn’t particularly apply here.

        Time and time again the statement has been made that the “2nd Amendment protects a pre-existing right” — one that isn’t given by the Amendment so the question isn’t if they have the amendment but if they have the right to keep and bear arms…if they have the right to self defense.

        I think my opinion of the Ferguson and any other Police, is that they have a ‘legal’ backing to use force , variously misused, abused or other, and sometimes used in protecting citizens… your examples of N.O. , the police not only confiscated guns/arms but they also used them, perhaps illegally against citizens

        The British Regulars had the legal backing to use force also; and they did misuse it. Throughout history various governments have abused the police powers, have use their monopoly on force against those they swore to protect.
        Yes, many changes in government happen without arms being employed on both sides. We do this almost every four years in this country….but does that discount the need to preserve the right in case it doesn’t go peacefully?

        if you are implying it? give the ‘people’ cause to overthrow a government, and/or used arms against all government

        Instead of focusing on overthrowing the government, how about looking at preventing what I call ‘street corner tyranny’. Individuals being able to resist illegal police activities such as what could be happening in Ferguson…what is happening around the country?

        Should the people be able to stop cops from illegal or unconstitutional actions? Given the courts proclivities to approve of all sorts of actions (PATRIOT act, warrantless searches and wiretaps, etc) — do we really have access to redress?

        Bob S.

      2. firstly, I have to disagree that, “2nd Amendment protects a pre-existing right” is your take, and only found within certain ‘groupings’ of people.. or cultures… not particularly a ‘need’ or ‘right’ in any ‘pre existing’ sense to me..
        Should people be able to ‘stop cops’? etc.. well, you make a good point about the so called ‘Patriot act’.but, I feel that as citizens and voters, its our right and RESPONSIBILITY to overturn these things legally and non violently… what you propose, from what I am reading, can only lead to more bloodshed and worse… IMHO

  2. CS Bob,

    irstly, I have to disagree that, “2nd Amendment protects a pre-existing right” is your take,

    Not just my take. It is the Supreme Court’s take on the issue also.

    I feel that as citizens and voters, its our right and RESPONSIBILITY to overturn these things legally and non violently…

    I agree. I also know that some times, as history has proven, that legally and non-violent will not work. Our country was founded on just such an occasion wasn’t it? How many other countries have had to been stopped through violence? Throughout history there are people who will not listen to reason, who will not respect rights.

    There are times where violence is the answer, do you deny that?

    Bob S.

    1. as far as the ‘pre Existing’ I know that recently (past 50 years) the Court has ‘legitimized’ the ‘Individual rights’ argument..and only in the last 40-50 years..but I wasn’t referring to that.. you seem to use ‘pre existing’ as in an extra constitutional way, like it was a Universal ‘human”right’ , which I have to disagree with…

      1. you seem to use ‘pre existing’ as in an extra constitutional way, like it was a Universal ‘human”right’ , which I have to disagree with…

        So you don’t believe that people have a right to self defense using the most effective tools available?

        Or do you not believe in ‘natural rights’ at all. Trying to understand here.

        I exist. I exist whether or not I belong to the polity called “USA” or “China” Or “Oceania”.

        Or am I missing it and you don’t believe in the sentiments expressed in the Declaration of Independence?

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

        Trying to figure out your views…I truly do try to seek to understand.

        Bob S.

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